Miasma: Spiritual Hygiene and Pollution

I’ve found that this topic doesn’t get discussed a lot in pan-pagan circles and seems to be almost exclusively something stuck in the craw of polytheists. It might not elicit the same vitriol that debates over worshipping Loki or giving offerings of whatever is unfashionable at the moment, might provoke, but it occasionally gets its day in the sun. Namely this is the question of spiritual hygiene, or hygiene of the body itself when it enters into a spiritual space.

Every tradition has its prescriptions for what is or is not appropriate for spiritual space. What they all have in common is firstly, an understanding of there being a difference between ritual or Other-ed space vs mundane space. I think the most obvious example of this is a traditional Wiccan (or Wiccan-inspired) circle casting. Circles are used as containers for ritual in that they make a normal space sacred for at least as long as the ritual takes place. Most circles are opened at the end of a ritual and the space reverts back to its default state. Temples, shrines, and altars represent ritual spaces as well, but these tend to be more permanent. When I establish an altar or shrine, the space is marked as such indefinitely. I only “open” them when I move house and have to break them down in order to reassemble them elsewhere. An altar doesn’t stop being sacred when I stop doing ritual at it. As such, there are rules I have for engaging with it whether I’ve got offerings or spellwork currently “open” (or mid-process) on the altar or not.

Circle casting is usually one of the first steps in crafting a Wiccan-inspired ritual

A lot of these following ideas are the basics and pretty much universal among many traditions. First of all, I never put mundane things on my altars or shrines. No cups of tea, no car keys, no cat toys (these seem to find their way into every other nook and cranny though), nothing but offerings or the detritus of spell casting. I do take off anything left from spells that are no longer “running” to avoid the clutter, so anything on my altar at any given time is always in process. My altars and shrines are alive. They’re always in flux. I see energy (whether that’s the magickal energy of a spell or the spiritual energy of an offering) as a liquid and I try to keep my altars and shrines like wells: deep, clean, and flowing to prevent stagnation. Old spell ingredients or mundane objects muddy the water and contaminate the stream. You want to keep things pure and running smoothly.

A second rule of thumb I follow in terms of hygiene in spiritual spaces has to do with what I’ve written about before, namely, the difference between altars and shrines. At their heart, altars are work stations and while they may connect with other beings, they’re mostly for us. Meanwhile, shrines are for the Spirits. Shrine space may also benefit us, but they’re mostly for Someone Else. Gods, Ancestors, or any other spirit one may which to enshrine. The rules for shrine space may be more strict than those for altars, and the reason is because you’re a guest in Someone Else’s home when you’re at a shrine. While you may leave your dirty dishes lying around your own house (though you probably shouldn’t), I sincerely hope you don’t do the same when you visit a friend or family member’s home. While I keep my altars clean as well, I always make sure that my shrines are as well kept as I can make them. I read once in a beginner Wicca book (probably one by Ravenwolf, to be honest) that dust carries negative energy in it. This idea has stuck with me and while I may not see it as carrying “negativity” as a type of energy per se, I do see dust as the accumulation of the dirt of the mundane, which is anathema to a well-run spiritual space. I try to keep my altars and shrines dust free and physically clean. I’ll also spiritually cleanse the space of any spiritual gunk floating around. Along with this, I also try to keep my home clean and cleansed just in general. This creates a healthier environment for myself and my family to live in, while also puts me in the good graces of my house wights as well as works to improve my devotional relationship with Frigg.

Cleaning your home physically as well as spiritually is important for maintaining good relationships with your own house wights

That’s all well and good but there’s also the question of the body. Different traditions have different philosophies of the body and how it connects to mundane or Other space. I don’t think it’s radical to claim that a lot of Christian or Christian-derived denominations and traditions have a view of the body as inherently worldly and sinful. A lot of strict reconstructionist or living continuation polytheisms may have similar ideas about the body (namely that it is more closely related to the mundane world) but might also focus more on activities, which seems to speak to the difference between orthopraxis and orthodoxy as a center of importance. Polytheistic faiths may outline polluting activities to be avoided rather than on a strict idea of the body itself as inherently “polluted” (this is a very general statement and every faith/tradition will be different; some see the body as inevitably trending toward pollution, so even if you generally try to avoid it, occasionally you may find yourself accidentally polluted through no fault of your own beyond having been born with a physical body). For me, I think the tendency to accrue miasma is part of what differentiates us from the Gods. I think it is completely against the nature of the Gods to become polluted in the same way that humans do, even if They engage in activities that, had a human done them, they might have been polluted.

I think we’re all about tired of hearing about hand washing and sanitizing these days but keeping your body clean is just as important as keeping your home clean

I’m going to pause here to go over terminology. I think “pollution” can be a bit of a harsh word. It evokes visions of trash heaps and waterways choked by garbage, maybe even plumes of smog darkening the air. It’s unpleasant and extreme. But I can’t find a better word that is less evocative but not completely toothless. Even “dirty” has connotations that are less than savory. I use “negativity” or “negative energy” a lot because these phrases seem New Age-y and innocent, but “miasma” is probably the best term for it (I haven’t found a word in Old Norse yet that might point to the same idea, but if someone else knows one I’d love to hear it). “Miasma” comes from the Greek for “pollute” or “defile”, and the Wikipedia article on the word opens with a quote that calls miasma “a contagious power”. Calling it a “power” seems to connect it with the idea of “negative energy” to me and we can see it as something pliable and moving. Seeing it as “contagious” as well shows how it can move from person to person, brushed off through contact like a spiritual virus. Maybe it leans too far into the woo woo territory for some, but I think we can pick up the vibes of the people we surround ourselves with and can bring that funk home to our temple spaces if we’re not careful.

It’s good practice to have a cleansing ritual of some kind before any major magickal working or offering. Even if you don’t remember engaging in any kind of polluting activity, you may have accidentally picked up something you shouldn’t have somewhere and it’s better to err on the side of caution and over-cleanse than to lean toward the opposite. It’s also good to have a regular cleansing cycle in general, to make sure that you are cleansing yourself and your space regularly.

Just as physical pollution wrecks our relationship with the Earth, spiritual pollution wrecks our relationship with the Gods

As I said before, every tradition is different but there are a few commonalities on what activities are miasmic. The big ones are: using the bathroom, having sex, menstruating, killing (especially another human but also animals), handling a dead body and/or having someone in your household die, making art, or having a baby. This list is not exhaustive but they’re a few of the big ones. I’ve noticed a few themes to these miasmic activities. The surface level theme is that anything that really puts you in your body or makes the body (and its physical processes/cycles) the center is potentially polluting. Using the bathroom is an obvious example of this, as well as any sexual activity (the spiritual component to sex is another discussion all its own). There also seems to be a theme of liminality with miasmic activity. Any walking along the threshold between two (or more) states of being seems to carry with it some element of risk when it comes to pollution. Lastly, it seems to be tied to the production of either creation or destruction. In my theology, the Gods have three Sacred Activities that They enact upon the Universe, which forms the Universe into the enspirited Cosmos. These Activities are: Creation, Destruction, Sustentation. These are the Activities that move in accordance with my ideas of Cosmic Order vs Cosmic Chaos and Cosmic Familiar vs Cosmic Unfamiliar (in my cosmology, numinous beings and Persons fall into a schema of how our relationship with Them works and it is through these binaries that we see Them interact with us and with the world. For example, Loki would be Familiar/Chaos, but most of the Jötnar would be Unfamiliar/Chaos, or Frigg, as Hearth Goddess is Familiar/Order, while Oðin as Wanderer is Unfamiliar/Order). Creation is bringing Order out of Chaos; Destruction is bringing Chaos out of Order; and Sustentation is keeping a perfect, healthy balance between both Chaos and Order. When we ourselves create (through making art or having a child, etc) or destroy (kill, etc) we enter the liminal space between human and spirit and end up polluted as a result. I can’t exactly say why that is, beyond maybe needing to explore the idea of “hubris” a bit more, but in my experience (and my upg) this seems to be the case. There is something off, and therefore miasmic sometimes, about liminality.

I want to write a separate blog post on the topic eventually, but I think menstruation is in a unique place here. Not only is it a cycle of the body and thus connects to the physicality of the body, but it is also supremely liminal in that it first occurs at puberty. Puberty, other than a person’s birth and their death, is probably the most liminal time of said person’s life. That menstruation kickstarts the puberty process positions it as a liminal time. The fact that it comes for a few days every month to knock the menstruator out of whack with “ordinary time” and into a different sort of time speaks to this.

Ah puberty. The traumatic transformation from child to adult

What complicates discussion of miasma further is that different Gods and spirits have different tolerance levels for miasma as well. Bragi or Oðin, as Gods associated with inspiration, creativity, and art may not be as concerned about art miasma as maybe Tyr or Thor. Freya and Freyr as fertility Deities may not care so much about sex pollution; Hel may not have such a problem with the pollution of death; and maybe Sigyn doesn’t care about menstruation miasma. Gods are Persons and have Their own individual preferences. At its core, what miasma is is a type of energetic goo that disconnects you in some way from either individual Gods and Their Grace, or from the right ordering of the Cosmos in some way. So it looks different for each person as they understand their role in the Cosmos and their relationship to a Deity. I’ve found that Frigg is fairly strict about miasma as a rule, but Oðin is fairly lax. It all comes down to personal preference on the part of the God or spirit in question.

This blog post is running a bit longer than my typical ones but I did want to briefly touch on ways to avoid miasma. Again, this will largely have to do with what your particular faith defines as polluting activities. But abstaining from sex or masturbation for some time before or after a ritual/offering may mitigate miasma. Fasting (a topic worthy of its own post as well) may do the same thing. Not sitting at shrine at all or perhaps only doing so while veiled when on your period is another common practice. Namely, keeping some kind of delineation between the mundane and the spiritual is what’s important. But also just regular cleansing and proper divination into the will and whims of any Gods you worship will be your best bet.

So, health heathens, sorry (but also not sorry) for waxing poetic on woo woo ideas of cosmology. I hope this was eye-opening on a topic that doesn’t seem to get a lot of outside traction but is important to talk about nonetheless. I wish you well in your devotional pursuits!

Skål!


Just a quick heads up: a couple of my friends are getting married next week and since I’m in the wedding party, it’s going to be a busy weekend for me. So no new post next week! Enjoy your week off without me!

22 thoughts on “Miasma: Spiritual Hygiene and Pollution

  1. ganglerisgrove

    There are plenty of words in Old Norse for pollution and miasma. foot note number one in my book on Miasma (if I can find the pdf on this computer, I’ll copy/paste) goes through a ton of them.

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      1. ganglerisgrove

        I wrote it because there were so many people arguing that it was unimportant or irrelevant to Heathenry. Such arguments always. made me wonder how the same folks felt about bathing lol.

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  2. ganglerisgrove

    I don’t think cosmology is woo woo. it’s the core structure of our tradition and if one doesn’t understand that, then one cannot aptly and properly practice one’s tradition. these things are essential to full and clean practice.

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  3. You’re right. I think I feel self-conscious about my ideas of cosmology because I haven’t seen any other Heathens talk about it in the same way. The schema I tend to use seems more in line with some ideas in Hinduism but it seems to fit what I’ve noticed as the nature of the Gods. I think I tend to call it “woo woo” because it’s one of those things that is almost entirely upg within my practice and there’s not really any way to prove it.

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    1. ganglerisgrove

      I think there are still way too many Heathens who prefer the idea of Gods to Their reality. understanding our cosmology is not really woo woo (that’s the term you’ll hear people use, often disparagingly about spirit work) but essential to developing a coherent Heathen or polytheistic worldview; and there’s enough in what we have of the lore (mediated by Christian scribes, problematic, and patchy as it may be) to lay at least the beginning of a workable foundation there. You’re right in bringing it forward as important.

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      1. OfficialWitchOfHighspire

        And a good majority of the lore is bunk. I hate to be the one to say it, but it’s true. As much as I fear someone doubting what I’m about to say, I’m gonna say it anyway. I’ve seen 5 of the Germanic gods. Had zero choice in the matter. Freyja is a redhead, with an intimidating presence, has a wolfhound that’s white with ginger splotches, and her throne room is magnificent. The only associations that are correct, are the colors that represent her; red (maroon) and gold. Tyr has both of his hands and actually wears Fenrir’s pelt like a cloak. Donar (Thor) actually doesn’t have a hammer, and the lightning radiates from his hands. Funny enough, the show Ragnarok actually got that one right, so kudos to the writers. Baldr doesn’t glow, he creates an orb of bright light with his hands; similar to the Wiccan practice of forming an energy ball between the hands. Hel is gorgeous, with black hair that flashes a deep purple when she walks, has bright white eyes, and is actually the protector of witches; as compared to the belief that Freyja plays that role. Still don’t know where that came from. I have seen a glimpse of Odin and that’s all I care to see. He’s made his presence known in other ways and I’m cool with that. I think that a good majority of the lore is no different than the Bible; ideals and imagery concocted by humans to suit their own specifications. *shrug*

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      2. Well, pretty much all of the lore that survives today was written by Christians many years after people who worshiped the Gods died off or converted. So take that with a grain of salt but I don’t think it’s reason enough to throw the baby out with the bathwater. The lore is important, even if it’s not super factual.

        I am going to have to push back on the rest of what you’re saying. You speak with a lot of authority about how the Gods look/are but I think even you know those are big pills you’re expecting me to swallow. The Gods can appear any way They want to, this is true, but just because They appear one way to *you* does not mean that is the definitive way that They actually *are*. We as humans can’t conceive of exactly what They are. We cannot see Them in all of Their Glory because we are mortal. So yes, we write stories and make metaphors in order to make sense of what we can. What you’ve written here is yet another version of metaphor. You’ve definitely set yourself up for an uphill climb trying to convince people that how you see the Gods are how They are, and if you do indeed think that, I’m going to have to disagree with you there as well. I’m not sure how you’ve *seen* the Gods you have, whether that was through trance or entheogens or journeying or what, but I do want to gently suggest the idea of sock puppets or other spirits disguising themselves as well. Part of the power of lore is that it establishes different signals for knowing the God you are speaking to is the God you think it is. The lore says that Thor has a hammer so when a God shows up with a hammer, you can reasonably expect Them to be Thor, if a God does not have a hammer, then They must be Someone Else. These attributes become agreed upon signposts between humans and Gods so we can have at least a little bit of footing as to who we are dealing with.

        Thanks for sharing how the Gods have shown up for you but I don’t think you should claim that the lore is bunk because it doesn’t align with what you’ve seen. In my opinion, you might do better to look harder at what you’ve experienced instead of taking it at face value. Upg is important but so is discernment and spg

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      3. OfficialWitchOfHighspire

        Why do you capitalize “they” and “them”? That’s a monotheistic habit.

        The gods showed themselves to me. I didn’t ask for them to, nor did I want to see them. This is why I have a tough time with telling people things b/c they’re always skeptical and question it; or try to pass it off as something I believe I saw instead of what I actually did see. The gods can manifest themselves in different forms, but their true form was shown to me. No trances, no drugs. I’m a traveler; astral, parallel universes, other realms of existence, etc. It’s completely involuntary, and quite bloody annoying; unless one LIKES waking up more tired than what they were when they went to bed. I made the mistake of asking if witches are descended from the gods, and Freyja yanked me to her throne room. The vision of Hel happened when I was trying to break a spell that someone had placed on me, that basically buried me in a damn grave. I clawed my way out of the dirt, crawled out of the grave, and stopped dead in my tracks as Hel came across the graveyard and knocked a human form into the grave. I looked down into the grave and it was bottomless. As for the other 3 gods, that vision started abruptly afterwards. I looked at my hubby and said “What the everloving f**k?!” and proceeded to tell him everything. Maybe it’ll be easier if I explain what I am, other than a traveler. I am a bloodline Hexe on my dad’s side and a Gypsy on my mother’s. When the gods feel that a message needs to get across, they show me whether I want to see it or not. A curse upon my person, that my son unfortunately inherited. It’s gotten to the point where he’s not even sure he wants to have kids b/c he doesn’t want them to be burdened and not live a normal human life.

        When I said that the lore is bunk, I didn’t mean all of it. And yeah, you have to take it with a grain of salt b/c humans molded it over and over through verbal story telling for so many centuries. Think of it like a game of telephone. By the time it was written down, who knows how far from the truth it actually had gotten. Kind of like the stories told about Berserkers and how it’s now told that they were fierce Norse viking warriors even though the legend goes back to before some of the Germanics moved to the northlands.

        Thor would be recognizable even without the hammer. I would think that the lightning would give it away. Yes, there are other gods, in other pantheons, who control storms and lightning but their visages would be completely different from one another.

        I might do better to look harder at what I’ve experienced? Why, b/c it doesn’t align with the lore? I take nothing at face value. I analyze and over-analyze everything. It’s a flaw. Lol!

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      4. I capitalize pronouns and the like when referring to the Gods because it denotes respect. Maybe it came from monotheism but, for me, I don’t think they have the monopoly on playing with language as a way of re-establishing the sacred order of the Cosmos, ie the order that the Gods are above us and deserving of the respect that I think using capitalization provides. If you’re not interested in using those conventions that’s fine and there are plenty of arguments for/against it depending on which side of the fence one sits on so if it’s not your cup of tea that’s all well and good. In my practice, I’ve found a lot of benefit from it, so I like to use it.

        See, you claiming to have “seen [T]heir true forms” is what I have an issue with. While it’s not in Norse myth, there are Greek stories about how it’s impossible for a mortal to see a God as They truly are, ie in Their full Glory. This rings true in my experience. Every time we see or experience a God, it is only a part of Them. We’re too small and not-Gods to be able to see/fathom Them as They truly are. And yes, the fact that you claim that what They “truly” are is not what the lore and all the countless modern Heathen have experienced Them to be but in fact something that only you seem to have experienced/know, well, that reeks of ego to me. The fact that you’re insistent on that point, that this is how They “truly” are is the main thing I take issue with. I don’t care if you say that Freya has 5 heads or Sigyn has blue hair, that’s all upg. Upg is very important but it isn’t a substitute for spg or the lore itself. I’m much too cautious of would be cult leaders to take a truth claim (especially one that makes one person or a small group pf people the sole holders of this knowledge) at face value and let it stand. I think it’s fine that you have the upg that you do, but I don’t have to believe it and I don’t think I was out of line for pushing back against it. Especially considering that I don’t think I’ve ever interacted with you before so the rapport isn’t there for me to fall back on.

        I’ll be honest, I have no idea what a Hexe is so perhaps I’m missing something there too. But i do feel like we’re speaking past each other. I’m not one of those people who enjoys debating, especially on the internet. And I always try to assume benevolent intent, for the most part. But I’m not sure what you want me to say. I think that you’re wrong on a few counts but I don’t see how I, a stranger on the internet, arguing with you, another stranger on the internet, is going to change anyone’s mind. In my practice, miasma is a thing, the Gods give a shit and are personal, and Thor has a hammer. It’s fine that your practice has none of these things but don’t expect me to upend everything I know to suit you and I won’t do the same to you

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  4. ganglerisgrove

    theological exegesis can parse these things out but ‘proof” is not the realm of religion. That’s a matter of faith and I think there aren’t very good supports and guideposts yet within our communities for developing faith. You’ll see it poo-pooed as a Christian thing but it’s essential to any tradition. We’re not laying out a scientific proof. We’re working devotionally to better serve our Gods and live rightly in our traditions.

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  6. Loved this post! This doesn’t get discussed a lot because there was a large inter-community battle about terminology more than a few years ago. It involved members of many polytheistic religions, and when I was investigating it due to curiosity, I learned that the outcome of the fight among Anglosphere worshippers of Hellenic Gods was an artificial division of terminology between miasma and lyma, where the former was given a “heinous wrong” meaning and the latter was given a “please wash your hands” for reasons that are still unclear to me because these distinctions are not present in the original Greek usage in the materials they were citing.

    While I am ignorant of the outcome in the Heathen community after that online thing happened, it’s totally understandable that people would have gone silent about it. It makes me sad that all of this ended up turning into a huge online argument instead of what needed to happen — compassionately coaching/mentoring younger people leaving Christianity who were distressed because they interpreted purification protocols incorrectly as a Christian sin analog and needed help and reassurance from more experienced people.

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    1. ganglerisgrove

      Thing is, we didn’t go silent about it. we put into practice all the knowledge about handling miasma and pollution that we’d gleaned and have continued to teach it to our students. If some of us don’t write about it every day it’s because we’re too busy employing the techniques and passing them on. Also, the info is there for those that want to know. those that don’t aren’t really relevant. I know in my case, I wrote about it on my blog, wrote a book about it. Can’t force assholes to read.

      re. miasma vs. lyme, part of the problem in the Anglosphere is, I suspect, lack of facility with Ancient Greek and lack of knowledge about the sources.

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    2. ganglerisgrove

      I think damage from Christian upbringings is really part of the problem i.e. equating miasma with sin, and all of that with personal worth. it does require compassion and good spiritual direction and sadly, I think all our communities are still lacking in those things on a significant scale. 😦

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      1. ganglerisgrove

        Of course, we’ve addressed the ‘miasma is not sin’ component ad nauseam going back at least a decade. If people can’t read, or rather won’t read, that’s on them. we’ve provided the information.

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  7. OfficialWitchOfHighspire

    The Germanic gods only care that we follow the basic rules of morality. They don’t hover over us and worry as to whether or not we’ve gotten a bath, or if we had sex before/after doing spell-work. They have more important things to deal with; like humans being on the verge of wiping out the entire human race. If you feel that being physically/spiritually clean helps you on your path, then follow your heart and continue down that road. Just don’t drag the gods into it. We don’t speak for them. If they’re not pleased with something we’ve done/not done, they’re more than willing to show their displeasure. #noqualms

    A good majority of the time, the Germanic tribes were busy fighting their enemies on the battlefield. Not much time to get a bath, and the gods didn’t abandon them b/c they were filthy and/or covered in the blood of their enemies. The only thing that truly irritates the gods is when humans forget about them, until they’re in dire need of spiritual intervention and call upon the gods like they’re servants. The Germanic gods are especially temperamental, as are the Germanic people in general. Germanics aren’t called “hot heads” for no reason. Lol! We’re zen until our temper flares, then gods help the dolts who crossed us. Lol!

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    1. I think I’ll have to disagree with you here. Caring about miasma isn’t “hovering”. Miasma isn’t so much like physical “dirt”. It’s more like the spiritual essence of what separates us from the Gods, if that makes sense. When you’ve got more of it, it makes it more difficult to approach the Grace of the Gods. It’s not so simple as “take a bath” and has more to do with the hierarchy of God to human. I also have to disagree that the Gods only care about Big Ideas and morality. I see this theory bandied about in Heathen circles a lot and I don’t have a clue where it came from. I think it comes from reconciling Ancestor worship and trying to make that more important than a lot of folks make it, and by doing that (saying things like “the Gods don’t care about minutiae; go to your Ancestors for that”), they’ve made the Gods more distant than They actually are. While Ancestor veneration is still very important, in my experience, the Gods are very personal. The difference between polytheistic Gods and a monotheistic one that’s pretty big is the idea of Gods being immanent rather than transcendent. If we believe that the Gods are in/of/part of the Earth, if we believe that Thor can be found/experienced in a storm or Freyr in a forest, then it stands to reason that They’re pretty close by. I don’t mean to be rude, but I find the idea that the Gods don’t care as rather insulting when the cornerstone of a polytheist spirituality is relationships, both with Gods and with other spirits. I don’t think morals are the end all be all of worshiping the Gods: cultivating relationships with Them is. Morals may play into that but it’s not the only thing.

      I also have to disagree that the Norse people spent the majority (or even a good portion of their time) on the battlefield. While they certainly had no qualms with fighting, the majority of their time was spent farming. It’s a stereotype pushed forward by media like the Vikings tv show and the like that makes it seem like the Norse folk were all rough and tumble all the time. Or that they were all soldiers and always fighting. Sure, they fought. But that didn’t take up the bulk of their time. They also had actual lives to live.

      I’m not sure where you got that the Gods only get mad when people forget about Them. But I do agree that treating Them like vending machines is indeed an easy way to piss Them off.

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      1. OfficialWitchOfHighspire

        I never said that clogged chakras or a dirty aura wouldn’t cause a problem. I was referring to physical dirt not being an issue that the gods care about, nor does it keep you from connecting to them.

        The example I gave, in regards to the GERMANIC people being busy on the battlefield and caked in dirt and blood, was one example. I also said that they were hunters, gatherers, and warriors. Yes, they were also farmers, that’s a given. Trust me, I didn’t even watch the show “Vikings”. If I’m going to watch anything on the ancient tribes, I’m going to watch documentaries done by historians, and not a work of fiction. Actually, Germanics were taught to fight from an early age, not necessarily to create warriors, but to teach children how to defend themselves if the need arose. It carried down through the generations in many Germanic families. Yes, they had lives to live, but even while farming they were on high alert b/c they never knew when a rival tribe or Roman soldiers would descend upon their communities and destroy everything within sight, and much that was hidden from sight.

        I think you skewed a lot of what I said, which is par for the course if someone disagrees with whatever has been said; as is evident by your incessant need to say that you disagree instead of just presenting a counter argument.

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